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Monday, December 12, 2005

 

Dear America...

We're what you made us. Young. Crazy. Disenfranchised. You feed us these poisons. Salute yourself. Tookie may or may not have been guilty of the murders for which he's set to die. I don't believe that's why you're choosing to kill him. Truly, he's probably facing death because he founded an organization that, eventually, perpetuated the death of thousands. Do you understand that in their early beginnings, Gangster Disciples, Blackstone Rangers & Crips were created to help protect the community? To safeguard it against negative outside influences such as police brutality, and larger, more organized crime groups? Do you realize they were founded in part to maintain a hold on the one thing we seemingly still had, our communties and neighborhoods? Do you understand that, in their origins, they were meant to unify? You created and helped continue the endless cycle that entraps many a poor youth...not just Black, but poor people period (Did you forget about the poor literally trapped in the NO during Katrina?). Your school systems fails our youth on many levels. The judicial system favors those who have the finances to pay for favors. The penal system is a billion dollar industry and houses more Black males than our nation's colleges. The political system only cares about the poor every tow or four years, when it needs their vote. Then and only then do politicians come around, make promises, only to renig on them after the votes are counted (...if they're counted...Florida anyone?). You've continously emasculated the Black male by pulling him from the household, placing him in jail and by doing so, making sure that another young Black male grows up and follows the same circuitous path to the prison yard due to lack of leadership in the home. Now why would people convene around Tookie? Sad to say, but he represents a rallying cry and a "leader" (and I put it in quotes because it's pretty sad that he's held as such considering his past)....think about it...in most minority cultures, there is no positive, vocal and widely seen leader. While I don't condone his past, I do advocate the change, growth and majority he has shown...as well as the strength he's shown in his final hours. Face it. You've stripped most minority groups of true leaders by placing valuable camera time on sports stars, rappers & entertainers, while neglecting, failing even, to promote the intellectual members of various minority groups. Where's the balance in that? Ask any kid who are the most important leaders in his race. Chances are, he'll refer to someone from many decades ago or give you whoever had his video on MTV/BET last or a clip on ESPN. Tsk tsk, America. Killing him serves as a far worse crime against humanity because it'd only leave so many young cats out there living wreckless instead of having a former leader who's respected vocally advocating against gangs and gang violence. No one on a national level is speaking to and truly reaching these groups and you take one of the last conduits to institute change? Sure he created a monster. But he cannot forever be directly held responsible for the murder and mayhem that ensued. If that's the case, if we're condemning folks for mistakes in judgement made in their youth, the majority of people around me and myself would be imprisoned currently and facing the same fate. And if he should be held responsible, then we should also be trying a few of our political leaders as well as rewriting the history books in a few aspects. Because the majority of gang leaders (Tookie, Hoover, Barksdale, etc) started their involvement in search of power and protecting the interests of their communities much as our current leader is "protecting" the interests of humanity and America. Think about it. America, if your stance is still that he should have been killed, then how do you feel about the current war in Iraq? Should our President & Cheney be held accountable since there's been evidence to prove that there were weapons of mass destruction and the whole Libby-CIA leak is showing that our leaders (Cheney & crew in particular) used the media and the tools available to slightly distort public opinion and support for a war that had no direct effect on our country as a whole? How many American soldiers have died again? I lost track after 2,100. So if he directly lead, say just throwin out a number, 100 people to a gang in a five year span but, in turn with his work in prison, led 1,000 more away from a gang...he still deserved death? Like Big Rube said, "...even Judas the betrayer became true in the end". His works as a result should count for something. In a prison system built to "rehabiliatate", here's a criminal who was reformed and you think he still deserves death? And if you want to go with the Old Testament argument and say, "an eye for an eye", what shall you say about another principle of the same book, one called repentance? ...so a life in prison isn't enough? In my opinion, life imprisonment is far greater torture than capital punishment easily. Die at once or have your spirit, mind and body decay over the years? Which one is worse? I think he would have been a more powerful and a much more valuable asset alive than sent to die. I won't say I advocate him being released but you have to see the power and influence he holds if kept alive. So, America, keep at it. Keep playing puppetmaster around the globe. Keep playing God in your judical dealings. And eventually, if you keep beating a man when he's down, he'll one day rise up and crush the hand that's been keeping him down. In the end, this generation...we're the hate that hate made us. P.S. Could you please explain to me, America, why Charles Manson is still alive? I would like to know why Gary Ridgeway ("Green River Killer," Washington state)gets life in prison after killing close to fifty women and Tookie gets the death penalty..in a state that rarely uses the death penalty? I'm having a real hard time understanding it much less explaining it to my kid and the other youths I encounter on a daily basis. Oh yeah...send my little cousin home & don't do him like Tookie. His momma, his kids, and his big cousin need him. Thanks in advance.
Comments:
preach my brother
 
My thoughts exactly, Black America does not see, like the blinders white amerikkka has put on them, the importance of have a "tookie" in every Black mind. They want us to die by their hands and we are letting them kill us freely...I am a former Crip, and yes I have changed my ways, thanks to all the Tookie Williams out there who cared whether I lived or died.Tookie will always be a true black role model to me...the Tookie who white amerikkka is shutting the voice of in a few hours from now...PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SEE THROUGH THE SMOKE< FOR ONE DAY TOOKIE MIGHT BE YOU...PEACE
 
I think it's a question of power. yeah he weilded power as a Crip...now look @ all the "stars" and regular people rallying around him...the guy is magnetic leader in every sense of the word. now THAT'S true power. why not let him live and have him continue to use that power for what good he can from behind bars?
 
*applaudes*
 
B E A U T I F U L L Y SAID!!!!!
 
You hit the nail on the head with this one Gotty.

Wake up America!!!
 
gotty, now that's REAL TALK.
 
Speaking as a former Crip myself, I am surprised at all the hype behind a man that has been behind bars since 1981. If we were to step up from the beginning as strong black people, this would not have been an issue up to this point. We need understanding and leadership in the streets but certainly not from a death row inmate. May GOD bless!
 
"Could you please explain to me, America, why Charles Manson is still alive?"

Because Charles Manson was never convicted of murder. He was convicted of mastermining it. Unlike Tookie, he didn't actually kill people. And if he did I would be saying the same about Charles Manson what I'm about to say about Tookie Williams...

FUCK TOOKIE!!!
 
anytime a brother comes and speaks out, what happens to him? he gets shot ! any brother or sister who speaks their mind is seen as a threat to ht white establishment. progress? hhmm..that seems relative
 
well-spoken.
 
"Do you understand that in their early beginnings, Gangster Disciples, Blackstone Rangers & Crips were created to help protect the community? To safeguard it against negative outside influences such as police brutality, and larger, more organized crime groups? Do you realize they were founded in part to maintain a hold on the one thing we seemingly still had, our communties and neighborhoods? Do you understand that, in their origins, they were meant to unify?"


It's funny that I said damn near the same thing in a forum I Mod.. Having been in the mix in Kali and Chi-town with relatives that died for being Black Panthers. This quote is so true. Unity is a very powerful thing. This man is being put to dead for being apart of something that America can't control now. The sad part is he's ready to die and get it over with.

Peace
 
It's funny that you say that cause Malcolm X was killed by black men and the people that Tookie killed were also black.
 
No, I saw an interview with the mother of at least one person "Tookie" killed, and the mother was VERY white. If all "Tookie" did was mastermind murder, like Manson did, then he'd probably have life in jail too, even though the Crips are responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths and the Manson Family killed, what, 3 or 4 people.

This is irrelevant, though. This guy was SENTENCED to death. We don't just change the law after the fact. Change the law so that the death penalty isn't an option anymore (me, I don't believe in it)--but the system doesn't allow people to just "cheat" and take someone off of death row. That'd be the equivalent of saying, "Yeah, we don't need to believe in our laws and our legal process anymore." The last thing the system is ever going to do is give the impression of imperfection.

Why didn't "Tookie" reform years ago? Why only recently? Why do they brag about him writing children's books when they've only sold a handful of copies and 90% of them aren't even in print? What is this good work that he has been doing? What would he be saying if he remained alive other than, in effect, "I beat their system!" The biggest question is, Why does it take over 20 years to execute people? That's just extra cruelty.
 
I think it's WAY more simple than this...

Why did he have to kill people in the first place?

None of us would be having this discussion, debating on the value of a murderers life, if he hadn't made HORRIBLE decisions and broken the law in the first place.

I can't feel sorry for Tookie, or anyone else in his shoes.
 
sympathy for the devil...all you dumbasses want to jump on a cause that is not just deserve. The man didn't have any last words no last rites no nothing just his knowledge of what really happened and that he took to his grave, whether he did it or not. This was a lost cause why not fight for those that there is really doubt of gulit and still sit on deathrow or in prison, black or white. Get off his dick, his cause wasn't worth saving and fuck if I believe that the Crips were formed as something like the Guardian Angles or whatever the fuck they are called. History is easily manipulated and you faggots believe anything...you fuckin' brainwashed MTV generation. Go find a real fuckin cause closer to your heart instead having others tell you what to fight for or not. Stupid ass Fuckin Idiots!
 
SAY THAT THEN!!! DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE THE WHEELS ARE SLOWLY FALLING OFF ALL TOGETHER? SHIT AROUND US IS FUCKED, AND ONLY GETTING WORSE.

BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT RIDGEWAY(GREEN RIVER KILLER) UP HERE IN WASHINGTON CUZ I THINK HE GOT LIFE FOR HIS CRIMES IN KING COUNTY, BUT THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO GET HIM DEATH FOR SOME OTHER MURDERS IN TACOMA WA, PIERCE COUNTY. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THAT DUDE WILL GET HIS!

ONE!
 
Excellent Read.
Sad but true...

Time for people to WAKE UP!
 
"Could you please explain to me, America, why Charles Manson is still alive?"

My point exactly. Great post man. Yesterday marked yet ANOTHER scar on America.

R.I.P. Stanley "Tookie" Williams

12:35 AM
 
"Could you please explain to me, America, why Charles Manson is still alive?"

Because Charles Manson was never convicted of murder. He was convicted of mastermining it. Unlike Tookie, he didn't actually kill people. And if he did I would be saying the same about Charles Manson what I'm about to say about Tookie Williams...


Manson was charged and tried during the (far too brief) national moratorium on capital punishment. If the moratorium had not been in place he could have (and certainly would have) been tried for capital punishment (as the State of California considers conspiracy to kill to be an equally reprehensible--and therefore equally punishable--crime).

As for Mr. "FUCK TOOKIE!!!", you should pick up a copy of "Helter Skelter" (written by the prosecutor who put Manson behind bars). Read that, and then come back and tell us that Tookie's crimes (if he was, in fact, guilty) are worse (legally, ethically... frame the arguement any way you wish) than Manson's.

As for Tookie, well, Tookie was the inevitable product of a culture of violence... A reality that any tragically impoverished community is forced to face. For all I know, he was guilty of his crimes, but, even if that is the case... The State of California should have recognized that he meant something to the African American community. If he had lived, he would have been a beckon of hope--a sign to all wayward men and women that there can be redemption for those who have chosen (or have been forced) to live a criminal life... Instead, he'll be just another symbol of the dream deferred.
 
Finally...discussion lol.

smh @ those who can only use "dumbass", "dickriders" & "fuckin idiots". If you want to be taken seriously, how about forming your argument worthy of those you're aruging with?

I've read Helter Skelter. Interesting to say the least. I'm aware of all the logistics of the repeal and then reinstatement of the death penalty.

someone asked "why did he kill?" don't look for the exact reasons that he killed. look into the life that lead him to kill, the culture surrounding him that put value on killing and death....alot of factors.

I'm done w/it though.

Just today, I found out a young cat I deal w/just got charged w/murder. Tell me how he "deserved" it and I'll tell you how he was dealt a shitty hand from the start. The factors that lead to this were out of his control and his actions were the culmination of something that was bound to blow given the ingredients (weak family structure, poor schooling, etc.).

You can say "it's just another gangster that died" all you want. but to me, Tookie represents every young knucklehead I see going in & out of jail for whatever reasons.
 
So while there are hundreds if not thousands of people in jail for crimes they actually did not commit, we want the person who murdered 3, maybe 4 people, and orchestrated the deaths of countless others, to have been set free?

wow. and we wonder why we never get ahead as a race.
 
to the person above...NO ONE was saying that tookie should be freed...they just wanted his death sentence commuted
 
It's a strange compulsion of the radical left to excuse the worst of all crimes -- murder -- simply because someone may have a bit of creative talent or literary potential. Tookie Williams murdered at least four people. But he wrote a children's book. This absolves his sins?
 
Has Snoop Dogg actually read these unpublished children's books? Does this inspiration partially explain his decade-long lyrical decline?

On a less serious note, yes I'm glad that the execution means that there will NOT be the "beckon of hope" suggesting that it's redeemable in any earthly way for someone to discharge a shotgun multiple times into the back of a man facedown on the pavement--and then in any way shape or form "get away with it".

Lastly, what a goddamn POOR martyr this guy is! Are we in such a horrible situation, so desperate to connect ourselves with anything that suggests some slight meaning, that we bow before this tired old man who represents . . . SOMETHING, sure, but really VERY VERY LITTLE that could ever be inspirational ever under any circumstances.
 
alot of people hiding behind the "anonymous" moniker lol...it's all good. like i said, i'm done with it.

If you disagree, you disagree.

we've all lead different lives that lead us to different points of view.
 
Man... I watch all the situation from "outside", you know. I live in another country, my ass is white so you may hate me, I'm catholic-christian, also if I never chosed to be that. Faith is a sort of "state of mind", and not a fucking book, not the pope, not anyone else. I can feel God, and I ignore who says that he represent the God law in earth.

We don't have to forget, but we have to forgive. People change, and Tookie has changed through years. I don't care of the past, of 25 years ago. I care about now.

Blood seems not have the same value. Skin seems not have the same value. And that's opposite of the moral of any faith, not just mine.

Italy too is stuck in a war that people never choosed to do. Our government is done by a couple of assholes. Our laws changes day after day according to what the puppetmaster wants. Democracy is an old, abused word.

So, in the end?
In the end, i have no power and i'm not anyone. I can fight against any kind of prejudice in my little garden, in my little town.
I can say that mr.Schwarzy is in a full delirium of onnipotence. I can reject the opinion of church and of any minister. I can be myself, with my brain.

Maybe, if everybody will do something in his garden and free his mind from the voices of false prophets, this world full of ignorance may change.
I'm just a dreamer.
And I don't even know if u get the meaning of what i'm saying.

Please, dear America. Show us that the majority is not Bush and also with Mr.Burned-Brain-With-Steroids. Manifest, reclaim, follow the straight way you feel inside. That's also what the older Europe is waiting to.

Greetings,
Indijah Martinez, from the old little Italy
 
Salute!
 
Wow, horribly written purial racist commentary that sounds like the rambling argument of an "I hate whiteys" 10 yr old's school project. Almost started respecting you all.
 
...and you are entitled to your opinion.

...and i could personally care less whether you like us or, furthermore, visit us. honestly.

I started this site to express myself on whatever i felt like on any particular day. not to win a popularity contest, convert people to militancy or anything of that nature.

I'm glad you did take the time to leave such a "well-written & thought provoking" comment though.

I'll just add another "anonymous" to those who simply just don't get it, due to whatever reasons they have. as well, I'll stick to my reasons and the words I expressed.
 
Firstly I would like to give a big shout out to the creators of this blog. At last an edutainment (yeah blame KRS..) blog without a preachy, pseudo-intellectual edge.

Any issue debated without context is pointless. Without context you have nothing. Your post offers a form of context within which one can locate the death of Tookie.

I do not agree with the logic of the death penalty. Never did. Never will. Oh and I am no softy cupcake liberal. Just a realist.

I do not have the right to pass judgement on my fellow man when the issue is life or death. State sanctioned/sponsored murder is no different from any other murder. If you can justify the state killing individuals, you can justify individuals killing in the state.

You are simply seeking to take the place of God ( whoever your God is...). If somebody is found guilty of murder they should be put in jail and forced to confront the enormity of their actions for the rest of their life.

If the state is allowed to kill why can't I? That's rhetorical by the way..

The fact that America is supposed to be God fearing nation is a joke. If Americans are so sure that God is up there, why not let him do his job??

The point of Tookies death is that he had the potential to actually do something to alleviate some of the problems (yeah he helped create them ) that exist in the ghetto. That in turn benefits society in a wider context.

The ironic thing is that so much emphasis has been placed on his personal redemption when the reality is that he mattered on a macro scale as opposed to on a micro scale.

Commuting his sentence would have had so many potential positives, whereas his death gave satisfaction and closure to a few.

Sometimes the needs of the masses matter more than the needs of the few. No matter how valid those individual needs may be.

A wasted opportunity.

Personally that's what I think is the saddest thing about his death.

Keep up the good work BD* (Blog Don or should that be Dons?).Let me know how I can contribute towards your funds. PAYPAL?
 
Damn Gotty, thats not only deep but on point about everything, even when it comes to setting these vindictive hatin assholes [who i bet are white]straight. Keep doing what you do playa, I'ma read more of your articles.
Just keep on
 
Cool guestbook, interesting information... Keep it UP
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